Miltochrista orsova (in Lichen Moths)


20 Aug 2016 22:10:23
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Tatai Commune, Koh Kong Province, Cambodia
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Added to iNaturalist
23 Apr 2018 21:41:33
Last updated
29 Dec 2019 20:43:25

Identifications and Comments

Identification by geechartier at 23 Apr 2018 21:41:34
Taxon: Lithosiini [tribe]
Identification by geechartier at 23 Apr 2018 22:05:56
Taxon: Lyclene [genus]
Identification by juhakinnunen at 24 Apr 2018 12:31:17
Taxon: Lyclene [genus]
Identification by hkmoths at 26 Aug 2018 14:52:45
Taxon: Lyclene [genus]
Comment by juhakinnunen at 22 Nov 2018 18:48:32
ping @volynkin
Comment by volynkin at 22 Nov 2018 19:22:12
@juhakinnunen Miltochrista orsova
Comment by juhakinnunen at 22 Nov 2018 19:24:03
@volynkin This can be found as Asura orsova; is the position in Miltochrista better?
Comment by volynkin at 22 Nov 2018 19:37:01
@juhakinnunen Yes
Comment by hkmoths at 22 Nov 2018 20:28:38
@volynkin, is the combination with Miltochrista published and current, please? If so, what publication should I cite, please?
Comment by volynkin at 22 Nov 2018 22:12:06
@hkmoths Lyclene was correctly synonymized with Miltochrista by indian colleagues Kirti & Singh (Moths of India 1) therefore all former Lyclene should be consider as Miltochrista. The problem is Kirti & Singh established new combinations for Indian taxa only, so the new combination for Miltochrista orsova as well as for many dozens other species are still unpublished. I will establish new combinations in the forthcoming paper devoted to the generic structure of the Miltochrista/Asura complex (I hope it will be published in early 2019).
Comment by hkmoths at 22 Nov 2018 22:49:40
@volynkin - thought as much r.e. AMoI. Really good news that you have a paper, presumably now in press, rectifying the situation. Of course, that means there's going to be some updating to all Bucsek's work on the Malay fauna, and Holloway's Borneo fauna r.e. Lyclene ! 😉 (not to mention the S. China and Hong Kong fauna, too . . . at least there are only 3 Lyclene spp in HK). Oh what fun (!!!) p.s. I will meet Prof Kirti and Dr Singh next month - anything you want me to say 😉 . . .
Comment by geechartier at 23 Nov 2018 17:50:31
@volynkin, @hkmoths, @juhakinnunen Should I label it as Asura orsova for now, given that that is already recorded as a species in iNat?
Comment by volynkin at 23 Nov 2018 20:01:28
@geechartier It has been reported for Thailand as Lyclene orsova by Cerny & Pinratana (2009, Moths of Thailand 6). This is the current combination until my paper is published.
Identification by hkmoths at 24 Nov 2018 16:27:58
Taxon: Lyclene orsova [species]
Comment by hkmoths at 24 Nov 2018 16:31:08
A. orsova now as a previous combination on iNat -
Identification by geechartier at 25 Nov 2018 13:56:31
Taxon: Lyclene orsova [species]
Comment by geechartier at 25 Nov 2018 13:58:29
@volynkin, @hkmoths Thank you
Comment by hkmoths at 25 Nov 2018 15:11:11
and we will await notification from @volynkin of the new combination once it's published 😉 I will update the iNat database as and when....
Comment by juhakinnunen at 25 Nov 2018 15:43:02
@hkmoths Eager as I am, I started using the "new" genus Miltochrista in my IDs... then realised that I do not have it clear for me where the line between Miltochrista and Asura goes... better to wait... 😉
Comment by hkmoths at 26 Nov 2018 21:31:33
@juhakinnunen - steady on there, just keep off the pills and have the medicinal whiskey every evening before going to bed....... As the ents said "don't be hasty" 😉 !!
Comment by volynkin at 27 Nov 2018 11:30:07
@juhakinnunen Yes, be strong please :). All Miltochrista/lyclene-like continentsl species belong to Miltochrista s. l. Asura is mostly distributed in the Australian Region (Australia, New Guinea and surrounding islands). Several species are known from the Philippines, but they look like red Barsine and need revision, there are new species there. In Eurasia, only Asura fulguritis and Asura tricolor surely belong to Asura. I don't know some taxa described from Indonesian islands, but I will fill this gap next summer, when I visit Leiden and examine the types. So, if you see any small yellow/pinkish/red 'Lyclene' from the continent, you can surely identify it as Miltochrista. Some Barsine s.l. are also small and red, but there are only few such species.
Identification by juhakinnunen at 29 Dec 2019 20:27:41
Taxon: Miltochrista [genus]
Identification by geechartier at 29 Dec 2019 20:43:18
Taxon: Miltochrista orsova [species]

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