Protuliocnemis (in Emerald Moths)

Details

Observed
29 May 2018 22:57:01
Quality Grade
Needs ID
Location
Tatai Commune, Koh Kong Province, Cambodia
Latitude
11.579722
Longitude
103.128055
Attributes
Alive or Dead
Alive
Life Stage
Adult
Added to iNaturalist
20 Jun 2019 14:27:22
Last updated
13 Feb 2020 18:52:36

Identifications and Comments

Identification by geechartier at 20 Jun 2019 14:27:23
Taxon: Protuliocnemis [genus]
Identification by juhakinnunen at 13 Feb 2020 18:07:30
Taxon: Protuliocnemis biplagiata [species]
Comment by geechartier at 13 Feb 2020 18:25:30
@juhakinnunen I am not sure it is possible to distinguish this from Protuliocnemis castalaria from this photo. According to Moths of Borneo, they can only be distinguished reliably on a character of the hind tibia: P. biplagiata has four spurs on the hind tibia, where P. castalaria has only two. The hind tibia are not visible in my photo. Interestingly, a search on GBIF returns significantly more results for P. castalaria than for P. biplagiata, where on iNat and BOLD it is the other way around.
Comment by geechartier at 13 Feb 2020 18:26:20
@juhakinnunen it seems you withdrew your ID as I was typing.
Comment by juhakinnunen at 13 Feb 2020 18:31:11
@geechartier Yes, thanks! Someone should go through all the photos online and make the needed reassessments when possible... (this kind of messes are in many species-pairs, messing up even more...;)
Comment by geechartier at 13 Feb 2020 18:52:36
@juhakinnunen Unfortunately, platforms like iNaturalist can make matters worse because many people make and agree with identifications without making the detailed checks. We then end up with a lot of "research grade" identifications that might not be correct, give that key features are not visible. I would like there to be a status that indicates that the ID must remain at genus (or whatever other level) because ID based on the photo(s) provided is not possible. It could even still be called "research grade" - it's just a genus level "research grade".

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